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Carmody has done a real nice job of making this program relevant in hoops.  A little more talent coming in and 5 of top 7 players coming back.

Unless the admin is going to do something about lessening of admission standards, this program is going to struggle.]]>
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AC016097 wrote: If Carmody deserves to go, doesn't Fitz?  What is the difference between the NIT and some garbage bowl game NU has gone to over the past few years?

Carmody has done a real nice job of making this program relevant in hoops.  A little more talent coming in and 5 of top 7 players coming back.

Unless the admin is going to do something about lessening of admission standards, this program is going to struggle.
I agree with your last comment that the program will struggle without easing up on admission standards.  There are very few 6'11+ big men who have the grades to qualify for Northwestern.  Why 6'11+ big men in particular?  There are a lot of reasons, one of which is because they are so tall everyone tells them they have a shot at the NBA and so instead of focusing on academics they spend more time playing basketball.  Does this happens with guards too? Yes, but there chances of making the NBA are much less than a 6'11+ center and there are a lot more of them to go around.  Since few Centers qualify, we end up talking projects from overseas and hope they pan out (i.e. Luka) or we give a scholarship to a would be walk-on at another team (i.e. Davide who was to walk-on at Michigan).

Northwestern doesn't even have to change the academic standards to address this, they just have to give coaches a little more wiggle room and not be so rigid.  If basketball had a little wiggle room for big men or football for elite athletes (4 and 5 stars in the coaches mind)- it would go a long way.  Northwestern wouldn't have to officially change the standards either.  For example, we can apply our normal academic standards when recruiting most players such as a B-list (3-star) OL recruit because if he is not eligible we will be able to get a different B-list (3-star) OL recruit to commit and it will maintain the standards without hurting the program.  However, if an A-list (4/5-star) prospect wants to come and the coaches believe he can succeed both on and off the field, the wiggle room will improve our program.  

I disagree with your point comparing Carmody to Fitz.  I understand that basketball has over 300 teams and football only have a little over 100, but the 6 "power conferences" should and do excel at both.  Football has 5 BCS bowls= top 10 Teams.  Basketball's NCAA tourney has 68 teams, but do to automatic qualifiers we would have to be a top 50 Team.  It is much much harder to be a top 10 team in football than a top 50 in basketball.  Coach Fitz is developing a great name for himself and Northwestern, is very highly respected, and is a great ambassador of the school.  Coach Fitz has had coaching offers from Michigan, ND, Penn State, etc shows you just how valuable of a commodity he is.  Coach Carmody has a reputation for being a brilliant offensive mind but is best known for his "sideline" antics earning him the name Coach Comedy.  When a call doesn't go Fitz's way he gets angry and uses positive energy to fire up the team; Carmody pouts when he doesn't get a call= negative energy.  

To me, the biggest difference between Fitz's team and Carmody's team is this: when our football team losses a game we shouldn't (i.e Army) it is because we beat ourselves, but when our basketball team loses a game we shouldn't it's because we our less athletic.  Most of the lesser automatic qualifier teams look much more athletic than we do.  When Akron's Zeke Marshall said a few MAC teams are better than us, I don't know if they are better but they are more athletic than we are.]]>

I also disagree that more talent is coming in.....it looks like the same level of talent that the genius hasn't been able to win (enough) with and really had very little to do with getting any talent anyway.

The day someone says he is a great recruiter, or even a good recruiter will be the first in his long mediocre career.

The programs have problems with rigid academic restrictions and poor facilities and always will because the administration is awful. But keeping Carmody is just throwing in the towel saying " we can't do better."

Since the administration is awful....they will keep him. Mediocre is what they strive for.]]>
drjukes wrote:
AC016097 wrote: If Carmody deserves to go, doesn't Fitz?  What is the difference between the NIT and some garbage bowl game NU has gone to over the past few years?

Carmody has done a real nice job of making this program relevant in hoops.  A little more talent coming in and 5 of top 7 players coming back.

Unless the admin is going to do something about lessening of admission standards, this program is going to struggle.
 

I disagree with your point comparing Carmody to Fitz.  I understand that basketball has over 300 teams and football only have a little over 100, but the 6 "power conferences" should and do excel at both.  Football has 5 BCS bowls= top 10 Teams.  Basketball's NCAA tourney has 68 teams, but do to automatic qualifiers we would have to be a top 50 Team.  It is much much harder to be a top 10 team in football than a top 50 in basketball.
I think your argument is flawed here.  You are comparing making a BCS Bowl game to making the dance.  Not even close.  The better argument would be making the Final Four vs. a BCS Bowl game.

The football team plays a dog of a non conference schedule and wins 3-4 games a year, goes .500 in conference and goes and plays in the Alamo bowl, and loses.

The basketball team was just as atrocious and has now won 19+ games 3 years running for the first time in forever.  It has made NIT appearances and won those games, which would be equivalent to the Alamo Bowl.

Now I love Fitz a ton and what he does for NU is awesome, but if he is much beloved, Carmody shouldn't be fired because results wise, there isn't a whole lot of difference.]]>
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His offense works, his players have wide open outside shots, but lack the talent to make them; (5) his teams are unable to play man-to-defense.  This means playing zone defense with no capability to getting the majority of the rebounds.  We get killed on the boards game after game.  Part of that is his players do not block out; (6)  most years the free throw shooting is abysmal;  (7) he has trouble winning the close games.  NU had numerous opportunities to win this year on their last possession and did it rarely; and  (8) his win-loss record in recent years is deceptive.  He has won most of the games against teams one has never heard of.

The team will be terrible next year.  Why wait to start rebuilding the program?]]>
xxjfgxx wrote: People say AD Phillips has the stones to do what needs to be done for NU athletics. He could make a statement by replacing Carmody and bringing in a big time coach who can recruit. Chris Collins? Shaka Smart? Brad Stevens?
When is NU going to ever bring in BIG TIME FACILITIES?  Carmody is fine.  Just work harder at recruiting. However, our facilities suck and just kill recruiting.  They tell recruits "We don't care about you, the athlete".]]>
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